Originally by: Goumindong

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Originally by: SecHaul

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Additionally, the argument of "Amarr do not have mids" is kinda borked when in a gang, you will have dedicated tacklers to web and hold the target, at which stage, Amarr simply have the best ability to get on-grid and be in a position to lay down good DPS from the start.

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Uhh, yes that is what they are supposed to do, its their role in gangs.

It should be noted that 15km is standard jump in distance on a gate, such the question of "is it worth it" certainly has its effects skewed towards the short range when talking about these types of engagements.

It should also be noted that long range options exist for the other races and with the exception of artillery are in relatively fine positions.

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Originally by: maralt

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Edited by: maralt on 02/12/2008 15:46:11

Originally by: Hugh Ruka

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1. small gang where tackle is provided by other ships

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At closer range a tackled and webbed ship will be easier to hit by all the races so the supposed advantage blasters get against pulse is negligible, but at longer ranges the pulse still own the target but the blasters cannot hit that far so are useless.

Originally by: Hugh Ruka

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2. solo flying

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A solo pilot for the most part knows his ships capabilities and unless he attacks a ship with a very funky fit will know what he can beat and what he cannot and will engage or not with that in mind.

Originally by: Hugh Ruka

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3. small gang on gate where drones are almost unusable

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This also depends on the gang setup and ships available but a high range to dmg ratios like that of lasers if of much greater benefit than that of blasters that have only slightly more dmg but absurdly shorter range

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Originally by: God's Secret

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LOLZ
Do not get me wrong man, it is not my intent to be an *******.. but you are simply clueless..

You are either very new to the game or never bothered to actualy fly amarr bs's.. you simply fail to understand the biger picture.. along with your minnie buddy who seems very bitter..

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Originally by: Goumindong

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They would be medium range, thanks for not reading the thread.

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Originally by: Rivqua

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Originally by: Hugh Ruka

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Edited by: Hugh Ruka on 04/12/2008 15:12:47
Edited by: Hugh Ruka on 04/12/2008 15:12:36

Originally by: God's Secret

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LOLZ
Do not get me wrong man, it is not my intent to be an *******.. but you are simply clueless..

You are either very new to the game or never bothered to actualy fly amarr bs's.. you simply fail to understand the biger picture.. along with your minnie buddy who seems very bitter..

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fly amarr ships ? WHY ? Goumindong admited he does not fly blaster ships, yet he does know everything there is to know about them, so his oppinions and arguments are relevant.

so it seems having actual in-game experience with the ships/weapon systems in question is not relevant to any argument about them ...

EDIT:

SecHaul, nice graphs and congrats on your continued effort to argue with Goumindong ... I realy have quite the fun reading this thread. I doubg you will ever make a graph that will satisfy Goumindong ... he seems to see things that are not in the graphs and since they are not there, you are doing them wrong ... :-)

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Why post without contributing to the thread and thereby watering it down? ^^^

Also, I think part of the discussion is that the end goals for the different parties are so different, people are looking for and seeing different things in the graphs. It's all in the perception. I guess some want a eve where every ship is good at its job, and decent on others, and can refit to be good at a third thing. Others on the other hand, want every ship to behave the same, with same dps, same range, same speed.

It's pretty similiar to the Ships & Modules forum, when someone posts something they've ran in eft, like how not every ship can reach 249km without any tracking enhancers, and then everyone jabbers on about it without any point.

Although, after re-reading this thread, I am pretty sure the Devs have been keeping a good eye on it, and the noise to data ratio has generally been exceptionally good, I am pretty sure no foolish things will be done to the ships, and they will keep their current balance.

/Riv

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Originally by: Goumindong

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Originally by: Hugh Ruka

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Originally by: Goumindong

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They would be medium range, thanks for not reading the thread.

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so they should start to outdamage blasters and ACs at about 20KM IMO ... this is clearly NOT the case ...

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No, in what crazy fantasy land would that be balanced?

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Originally by: Chi Quan

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and what on earth do eanms have to do with missing tracking on blasters?

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Originally by: Goumindong

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Originally by: Chi Quan

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and what on earth do eanms have to do with missing tracking on blasters?

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Blasters are not missing tracking. This was shown pretty well in the thread. They also have a high amount of utility slots and high agility and speed to be most efficient in close range.

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